Helen and Sean talk with University of California-Santa Barbara’s Palm Center Senior Research Fellow Nathaniel Frank about his book “Unfriendly Fire: How the Gay Ban Undermines the Military and Weakens America.” bOUT2 is a spinoff podcast of bloomingOUT, Indiana's only out, loud, and proud radio show, a public affairs program dedicated to the gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender and queer community. Each week on bOUT2 we deconstruct the week's top queer news and talk with guests you didn't hear in this week's bloomingOUT.