John Tilford, a staunch supporter of U.S. troops, discusses the role of the American military with Timothy Baer, a staunch peace activist. Surprisingly, they find some common ground on the lack of justification for a lot of the wars fought by the U.S. military, but they fail to come to any agreement on the appropriate role for members and potential members of the U.S. military in the face of inadequately-justified wars. This program is part of the Passionate Conversation Project, seeking to demonstrate effective conversation between two people with opposing views.